1999 Yamaha 225 ox66 saltwater series problem

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Bob M

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Had not run my 2310 much for the past month, mainly just idled around a lot. (I have an 1801 thats better on fuel economy). Ran the boat this weekend and noticed reduced top end RPMs and speed. Tops out at about 2800 rpm and only about 30 to 32 mph. It seems to start to lose power at high RPMs. I changed spark plugs and fuel water separator (no water in fuel) and ran it again with no improvement. It even was harder to keep started. Had to hold the key in start position for longer than normal to keep the engine stared. Does this sound like a fuel pump problem? Any other Idea?
 
Is the 2800 RPM number correct?

Next time you run the boat at higher RPM, try pumping the fuel bulb and see if that fixes the problem.

-- Tom
 
If you can run up to 4800 RPM, its not the problem that I thought you were having (low pressure fuel pump).

Two more questions -- are you running Ethanol based gas and when was the last time your VST filter and O2 density sensor was serviced?

-- Tom
 
Thanks Tom s and John. I looked up the oxygen and vst sensors in the manual. As far as I know they have never been replaced and I have had the boat about 8 years. It sounds like they shpould be replaced now . When I ran the boat again it diid the same thing. It got on plane fine but at higher RPMs it starts to loss RPMs and then surge higher and lower. I am wondering if I should attempt this or let a professional do it. I am not very experienced in engine mechanics.

Thanks again. This site is a great resource!
 
Not replaced, just cleaned and tested to make sure they are still operational and not all gunked up.

-- Tom
 
Bob M":11iqf0sk said:
When I ran the boat again it diid the same thing. It got on plane fine but at higher RPMs it starts to loss RPMs and then surge higher and lower. I am wondering if I should attempt this or let a professional do it. I am not very experienced in engine mechanics.
A friend who runs a GW with Yam SWS 2-stroke 200hp OB just had to have his carbs serviced for 'similar' issue. He could get on plane but she'd sputter and fart and gain/lose RPMs above 3500 RPMs.

I tried a Seafoam treatment, which made it smoother, but didn't cure it, as his service call from the Yam dealer did. As far as I know they rebuilt each carb ...

I'll get more info for you.
 
I have the same motor, same year, had the same problem last year (and same lack of preventive maintenance up until last year). I'd lose RPM's at or above 4200, though it would reach and hold 4200 for a minute or two. Learned everything from these guys on here, you can do it, I did. You will gain a tremendous amount of confidence the more you work on it. Everyone here can and will help you out. You should start with the 3 low press fuel pumps, change them out with new one's. Take the O2 sensor off and clean it AND the exhaust tube. Lastly, change or clean the VST filter.
The exhaust tube (according to Yam) has been redesigned to cut down on clogging, the VST filter has also obviously been redesigned to filter more (I have a photo of the new one I put on mine). The motor hasn't ran this good since new. I recommend picking up the service manual, I have 2, one from Clymer, one from Yam and I like the Clymer better since it has photos as well as step by step instructions.
I think if you do the maintenace mentioned here, you will be presently surprised (and save a TON of $$$$$$).
If you need help, votes of confidence, I and others here will be happy to help. Lastly, if you have access to a fax machine, I could probably photo copy the pages you'd need in the manual and fax them to you. TomS and Megabyte helped me enormously as they have the same or very similar models.
Tim
 
Thanks again guys for the advice.

Dale this motor is an EFI (but not an HPDI) so I don't think it is the same problem as your friend's. Although I guess the injectors could be suspects.

TimC, I have the Yam manual but not the Clymer. I think I will take your advice and try the work myself. If you have time to fax the pages from the Clymer manual that would be great. My fax # is (912)-352-5225. This is my office fax @Morgan Stanley. I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks.
 
Thought I would post an update on my progress. Removed and cleaned the vst filter. At first it didn't look too bad until I cleaned it and saw what it looked like clean. Have removed and attempted to clean the Oxygen density sensor and the draw tube. There was a small amount of carbon on the sensor and the draw tube was clear inside but the outside of the narrow part in the middle is caked with carbon. Also the cover held a lot of dark oil in it .I don't know where it came from but am cleaning it up.
Will hopefully put it back together tonight and check the results. Thanks for all the advice and thanks to Tim for the faxed pages of the Clymer manual.
 
TimC.

When I removed the sensor the existing plate and gasket did not come off of the cylinder head. Do I need to ppry them off and replce the gasket or should I just bolt the base and cover onto the existing gasket?
 
Bob, you'll need to pry that mounting block off the power head (should come off fairly easily) and replace that gasket. When you get the new gasket, don't panic, that too has been redesigned and will look different than the one you remove. I panicked thinking I bought the wrong part when I saw the new gasket..(this is not the reason I suggest you replace the gasket by the way). The manual clearly states to remove and discard the gasket.

The manual also says that "the replacement draw tube has been changed to a design that increases the service life of the sensor." I bought a new one but to be quite frank with you, it looked identical to the old one but I switched it out anyway since I had it. That is a decision you can make. Many guys just clean it up and put the old one back in.

Have you changed the 3 low pressure fuel pumps yet? What you are working on now should be done at 100 hour intervals I believe, or every 2-3 years, but my money is on those low pressure fuel pumps as your problem. I had the same problem, and did the pumps, O2 sensor and vst filter. When I disassembled the 3 low pressure fuel pumps, it became obvious those were the culprit as one had a clear tear inside of it.

Once you tackle these 3 preventative maintenance items, you'll gain a tremendous amount of confidence to do those regularly and notice a significant difference in performance. I did immediately.

Tim
 
+1 on the low pressure fuel pumps.
That fix solved the issue I had with my motor. :wink:
 
TimC,

Thanks for your help. I have to order the gasket kit tomorrow so I will have to wait until next week to put the sensor back on the engine. No on in town that I have contacted has the parts in stock. Hopefully the sensor will work now that it's clean. Have a great time on your boat!
 
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