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Looks like Fay is going to pay a visit to Tampa Bay on Monday or Tuesday.

Right now she's still a tropical storm and if she makes hurricane status, she might be a Cat 1 or 2, so, it looks like a won't be tooooo bad, but was interested in hearing from anyone who has come up with an effective way to secure a boat on a lift.

The issue I am most concerned with is the wind catching the boat and swinging it into the pilings. The cradle that supports the weight of the boat just acts like a pendulum once the wind broadsides the boat.

My plan is to raise the cradle as high as I can and secure some lines from the boat cleats to the cradle and then secure the cradle to the pilings.

I've had boats on lifts for years and other than raising the boat as high in the lift as possible, I've done nothing. But this Parker is special and I'd like to keep her as safe as possible. :oops:

Unfortunately, I don't have a trailer so I can't take her off the lift.
 

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I can't respond to the "engineering" aspects of your problem, but might I suggest you staple or tie some thick carpeting to the pilings, so if the boat does rub against them, the damage might be less?
 
fire hose nailed to the pilings works great for me. If I was on florida I don't think i could own a boat that didn't have a trailer - specifically for hurricane reasons.

hrmpf.

i would be most worried about storm surge overwhelming your lift and taking the boat with it ( or worse, sinking the boat on the lift )

Nice looking boat though. Good luck with the blow.
 
CaptainJim":d534pfg5 said:
I don't think i could own a boat that didn't have a trailer - specifically for hurricane reasons.

i would be most worried about storm surge overwhelming your lift and taking the boat with it ( or worse, sinking the boat on the lift )

Yeah, well, I used to have a trailer for the another old boat, but I wound
up paying more to store the trailer over time than the cost of the trailer. :shock:

Also, I no longer have a tow vehicle. So, I'm stuck. I guess that's why I pay insurance premiums.

I've got the boat raised 5' over dock level and at high tide, the water is 3' below the top of the deck so, it would have to be a pretty high surge before she floats.

There are two relatively new companies in the area. One rents boat trailers for short term use however, they don't rent them to "non members" during hurricane warnings.

The other is a haul out service. You take the boat to a ramp, they haul it out and store it somewhere.

I'm going to have to try and find them..
 
I have kept my Parker on a lift for the past 7 seasons. On several occasions when there has been a threat of storms and exceptionally high tides, I have take a long, heavy rope, tied one end to a rear cleat, and run the rope under the I-beam of the lift frame. I tighten off that corner then cross the rope to the other side and repeat. Then I did the same thing with the mid-ship cleats and the front I -beam of the lift. I don't think the waves have ever come high enough to knock the boat around, but this was some insurance.

The only exception to this practice was when Tropical Storm Isabel came up the Chesapeake Bay a few years ago. I was lucky enough to move the boat to a nearby marina where they took it from the water and stored it on blocks. It was a good decision since the water went over the tops of the dock pilings that night and a large piece of debris knocked out all electrical power to the dock. I don't know if the boat would have survived that storm if it had been on the lift.
 
This was my boatyard the morning after Isabel.

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The area directly in front is where the travel lift normally resides.
Notice the tops of the pilings and the absence of docks. :shock:

There was a boat on a lift (private owner) directly across from this boat yard that did not survive the storm. The storm surge was higher than the lift.

If I were faced with this situation, I would not strap the boat to the lift. I would tie the boat off as if it were floating in a slip. That way, if the surge was higher than the lift, the boat could rise up and still remain secure.

Obviously, you might have to stay the night on the boat to tend the lines, but it would be time well spent. :wink:
 
From the photos it looks like you have your stern to the open water? If so, you might look at having the BOW face the potential large open water waves if you decide to leave it on the lift? Looks like you could also set the anchor out with good scope if the bow face out.

Last summer my brother lost his on a lift on the Chesapeake (near White Stone) mainly because the stern faced the final damaging waves making the boat unstable and a piling went through the hull. He watched it sink from his house which was an island at the time.

If no trailer (or anything to get the boat inland) is available, can you find a creek to run up where you could tie slack lines off on both sides of the creek and maybe set two bow anchors? Hopefully the cleats would hold.

And in any case..... leave the boat and take personal safety first...........Pete
 
Can't help you here from MA as we have few lifts, and you already got good advice.

One thing though, minor, you have a lot of birds in your photos.

Good luck.

I have a daughter at college in Orlando that grew up in Clearwater area.

Dana
 
OK. Going to call it a night. Should wake up tomorrow AM and be in the early stages. So far, no EVAC notice.

High Tide 1:46 pm. Not good news.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the Other Line makes it through ok.

:(
 
I found this very interesting assessment by a Marine Surveyor on another site: Thought I would share.

Maybe I should bite the bullet and get a trailer and a used pickup truck. I can always use the truck for hauling stuff. Store that at my office. Problem is storing the trailer.

I've got another boat that I am going to try and trade for a trailer and truck. Not the kind of boat anyone here would want, so don't even ask...

Anyway, here's the scoop :wink:

THE SURVEYORS OBSERVATION:

Hurricane preparedness seminar, Storm readiness checklist Bla Bla Bla… I know you’ve heard a lot about being prepared for a storm from dozens of experts in their particular field. For boaters, I think that my perspective may be of particular interest.

I hit ground zero in Punta Gorda two days after Charlie with my first batch of claims folders.

The next day I saw Pine Island, Cape Coral and Bokeelia. This batch of files was all marina kept boats. Some in wet slips and some in rack storage.

The third day of straight roadwork I saw Fort Myers Beach and Cape Coral. After the first week of recovery efforts boats were being quickly salvaged and my travels mainly took me to various salvage and storage areas where I handled the final 40 or so claims.

Then came Wilma. I handled 98 damaged boat claims for three insurance companies and covered territory from Marco Island, Alva, across to Lighthouse Point and the collapsed Marina One.

I spent the next five weeks working Ft, Lauderdale and getting lost in Miami. I mopped up down in Marathon in January and then slept for a week.

Not much difference in related damage between the two storms except maybe the sheer numbers and the range of the effected areas. The boats were all wrecked for all the same reasons.

The information I gathered visiting the post storm sites and speaking with marina personal is what I have used to form my:

SURVEYORS OBSERVATIONS ON HOW TO SECURE A BOAT FOR A STORM.


I guess the best way to assemble the information is a list of survival rates. I don’t have percentage numbers, just my opinion based on viewing the nautical carnage of two powerful hurricanes.


1. Best Overall: Hauled and blocked is by far the best alternative. Some marinas and dealerships went so far as to tie boats down to the ground by various means. One sport boat dealership on Fort Myers Beach installed small cleats in the concrete pad with concrete anchors. They had not one boat come loose and only a little debris damage from their own awning. Two marinas on the Caloosahatchee tied boats down with steel augers. This is the method I chose for my 32 Luhrs. The only knock downs I saw were at a marina that had a long row of boats very close together and resting on sand with no tie downs. They all suffered the domino effect. By and large the blocked boats over thirty-foot faired very well.

2. Second Best: In water private dock. These storms did not produce huge tide surges as expected. Private slips in many cases are broad enough to allow ample scope on your dock lines and still keep the boat off the piles and sea wall. The majority of damage to these boats was by far roofing tiles and fender / dock rash. Sailboats suffered broken masts from pumping in the wind and countless shredded head sails.

3. Third Best: Trailer kept. This is the best alternative for the under 30 crowd if available. Please don’t park it under a tree. Especially a great big Gumbo Limbo tree. Again the use of a couple concrete anchors or augers can really help keep things in place.

4. Fourth Best: (second worst) Lift kept. I saw very few boats secured properly upon their lifts and all were highly subject to flying roof tiles. But the main damage on lift kept boats was from the lifts. Most people had secured the boat to the dock and pilings with the usual macramé of rope and lifted the thing way up in the air. The boats all tried to climb off the lifts and got stuck about half way down where most suffered flooding damage as well. Most of the boats damaged on lifts had been pushed by the wind half way off the bunks. The degree of damage was usually dependent upon whether the boat was shoved forwards or aft. Or even sideways. A boat secured properly upon a lift can actually fair very well. Most boats however are not.

5. Last or Worst: It’s a tie. Large in the water marina or rack storage. The problem here is that your fate is subject to the numerous risk factors and luck of the storage facility itself. I saw entire docks broken from the pilings with a dozen boats all securely tied blowing around the marina sinking everything in their path, and whole barns of boats racked four and five high that had crashed down in a huge pile of twisted metal and broken fiberglass. I know it’s not fair to generalize. Here on Marco we have rebuilt most of our older docks and barns. If you ask their designers they will all tell you that they are rated for X amount of wind and surge and are very secure in a storm. I am just telling you what I saw in a Cat.4. Boats at marina docks faired very poorly. And five barns hit the ground full of boats.

So what do you do? I’ll be general and proceed with the understanding that protecting against debris and rain are up to your own common sense and maintenance practices. I shouldn’t have to tell you to check your bilge pumps and batteries and clear your scuppers.

Lets cover the suggestions in the same order.

1. On the hard: If you are lucky enough to have your yacht hauled for a storm install, or commission the yard to install some anchors. This doesn’t need to be fancy or expensive. For concrete pads simple lead anchors and ring bolts work well. An expansion bolt with 3 links of chain works even better. For soft ground use some augers commonly available at home improvement stores. Install one at each corner at a steep angle and tie off using a truckers knot or ratchet straps. Put as many blocks and stands under the boat as you can. And remove the garboard drain plug if equipped.

2. Private dockage: Tighten those mooring lines a little. Maybe more that a little. I have seen zero damage from insufficient scope on spring lines and plenty from boats bashing against sea walls and pilings. Rope gets wet and stretches, especially nylon. So make sure she is secured off the dock for high tide plus just a little extra (not ten feet extra). Why allow scope for ten feet of surge when that much surge will take out the whole island anyway? Add just a little and keep her off the pilings. Any spare ground tackle you have should be deployed to the direction of open water and bridled tight upon two cleats. This will act to pull the boat away from structure as the tide rises. For most local docks that would mean setting an anchor abreast and possibly fore or aft. Set them long and deep with a small boat and mark the rode with a buoy or jug. Neighbors helping neighbors makes this task much easier.

3. Trailer: If your boat is trailer kept out of doors you can follow the same guidelines as outlined above in #1 but using three anchors, two aft and one forward. The tow vehicle if left hitched counts as one. Tie the boat to the trailer short and tight, and then tie the trailer to the ground. Again tie it steep and tight, remove the bilge plug and turn off the battery switch.
4. Lift kept: Tie the boat to the lift tight! Then tie the lift to the dock. Ill say it again. Tie the boat to the lift with short tight lines. Then tie the lift to the dock to limit sway. Surge is the least of your concerns. Don’t lift the boat 10’ over the dock. Allow for a couple extra feet of surge tide and pull the plug. Try to orient the lift for good drainage and make sure the hatch drains and scuppers are clear.

5. Barns and marina wet slips: When faced with leaving the boat in her normal disposition you must first and foremost adhere to the facilities guidelines. Ask the dock master or manager for a copy and ask for his or her input regarding your boats particular situation. But please remove your canvass.

6. REMOVE YOUR CANVASS. I know I’m shouting, sorry. No matter where your boat is secured you must remove your canvass. If you can pull all the side panels and window panels do it. Rolling the window panels up doesn’t count. BTW It takes less than an hour and less than 20$ to re-lace an awning. Remove the mooring covers and store all loose gear below or ashore. Drop all sails and store below. I guarantee if you leave your head sail rolled up in a hurricane it will eat itself alive and trash your boat and your neighbors boat in the process. Folks I walked some marina docks the day before Wilma and saw more than one owner actually installing camper canvass and the majority of head sails were still aloft. Your neighbors will thank you for not doing this. Remove everything you can, On my management yachts after pulling all canvass I duct tape a piece of .006” plastic over the dash. It works very well. You may also use painters tape to seal door jams and secure loose hatch covers. Just remember to get that tape off as soon as you can while you still can. Sun and water will make it permanent in less than a week.

7. Get your insurance policy set early. No underwriter will write a boat policy when there is a named storm approaching. Can you prove what your boat is worth? Many policies are Actual Cash Value and will only pay what they estimate your was worth before the incident regardless of coverage limits. Appraisals are available and cost less than a full survey.

8. Get a professional survey at least every two or three years. A survey on any vessel will help you identify any problems with structure, self bailing or de-watering as well as give you a current document outlining the pre storm condition and value of your boat and its equipment issued by an objective professional.

9. Secure your boat early, take a few photos, board up the house and get away. Take your loved ones as far from harms way as possible. I can replace my boats but not my family.

As an accredited marine surveyor, I am associated with the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors and the American Boat and Yacht Council and the Collier County Marine Trades Association. My normal workload is split between boat and yacht surveys, damage claims work and marine related consultation.

Capt. John Campbell AMS has been a full time resident of Marco Island since 1992. He is available for selected yacht management and speaking engagements on a wide variety of marine related topics. He may be reached at: [email protected] or 239-389-9769

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Well, now it's Ike. But I've solved the lift issue. I just bit the bullet and bought a trailer. Then, of course, I needed something to pull the trailer with so, :roll: I bought a pick em up truck.

Might have been cheaper to just pay the deductibles and pay for the lift damage. :(

Wish I had a boat I didn't care about....
 
Drag it on up to KY so I can fish it, no hurricanes up this way :D .

I need to check in on Grouperjim as I haven't seen anything out of him in a while. Hope Ike plays nice for you guys.
 
In Agreement":wx2l1s3c said:
Drag it on up to KY so I can fish it, no hurricanes up this way :D .

I need to check in on Grouperjim as I haven't seen anything out of him in a while. Hope Ike plays nice for you guys.

:D :D :D :D :D I'm sure it would be safe and sound up there!!

Ike is headed for Texas. Looks like we'll be ok.

You probably won't be seeing much of Jim on CP. Give me a pm and I'll fill you in.
 
I was looking at Boat US insurance coverage and noticed this clause:

Hurricane Haul-out Coverage – up to 50% or $1,000 in reimbursement for professional hauling and/or preparation in the event of a NOAA Named Storm in your area. (ex. PWC)

So might help some of you in storm areas without trailers.............Pete
 
greatcir":1fu4g0at said:
I was looking at Boat US insurance coverage and noticed this clause:

Hurricane Haul-out Coverage – up to 50% or $1,000 in reimbursement for professional hauling and/or preparation in the event of a NOAA Named Storm in your area. (ex. PWC)

So might help some of you in storm areas without trailers.............Pete

Yep, that's correct. The other thing I learned about Boat US insurance is that your deductible goes from 1% of insured value to 5% of insured value in the event of a named storm in your area. So, if your boat is insured for $60K, your deductible goes from $600 to $3000.
 
another consideration is to locate the vessel well up stream if possible. I'm talking many miles behind a land mass.
Tie off/anchor off to the shore line and to several points of the compass with enough slack to allow for lift.
On the hard and shackled down to permanent anchors is the best unless, as you indicated, you can leave the area entirely.
If on the hard you should tie down several boats abreast of each other with foam or equivilant cushioning between gunnels. It creates a broad platform that is resistant to toppling.

Towing:
You are looking at 7000 plus pounds boat and trailer. It is going to take a tandum axle with an electric over hydraulic trailer brake system and a vehicle wih a tow capacity of at least 8500 lb and even then, no trips to the mountains.

RVers will tell you. You can pull em with a lawn mower. It's stopping em thats the problem.

In my uneducated opinion, the bottom line is that if you get hit with a big enough storm then you are going to have to depend on luck regardless of how well you prepare. With a close track of a class three a boat tied or anchored in the water with the best of preparation is probably a goner.
Put it in the best of situations on the hard and blowing debri will wreck it.

I wonder how available boat haulers are to pick up your boat at the marina with a flat bed truck and go sit in a motel with it for a few days

I read your survey with interest. When I first started reading your post and looking at the pictures of that nice boat in it's cradle I thought that you were not fully grasping the vulnerability of the situation. The boat would serve as a weight used by the storm to collapse your lift and the dock. The weather demons would be happy that you tied it solidly to the structure so it wouldn't go anywere before they were thru using it as battering ram.

Thru necessity and exposure you have now become something of an expert and I bet you either leave the area next time or move the boat into a boat yard with never a thought to tieing it to anything.

Skipper Hub
2520 Parker "The Salty Dawg"
 
skipperhub":12b4nr37 said:
I read your survey with interest. When I first started reading your post and looking at the pictures of that nice boat in it's cradle I thought that you were not fully grasping the vulnerability of the situation. The boat would serve as a weight used by the storm to collapse your lift and the dock. The weather demons would be happy that you tied it solidly to the structure so it wouldn't go anywere before they were thru using it as battering ram.

Skipper Hub
2520 Parker "The Salty Dawg"

The "Survey" was actually done by a marine surveyor who was assessing damage during some other storms and this was HIS advice.

I finally came to the conclusion that the best solution was to get the boat OFF the lift and get out of Dodge.

I wound up buying a trailer and a tow vehicle. Problem solved.
 
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