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evetsmd

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I was looking at the recent swim platform project post and took notice of the stern line setup that Capt Kevin (Megabyte) is using.

This looks like an easier setup than my having to fish the line thru a hole in the gunnel and then tie it off on the cleat. Especially when single handed docking.

How many of you are tying off like this?
Megabyte, is that double loop thru the carabiner and then tie off a common form of knoting or a scheme of knoting that you came up with? Why this approach rather than an eye splice over a thimble and carabiner.
What size carabiner are you using?

If any of you use a different kind of shackle or snap hook, what kind is it?

Oictures are always good!

Everyday I learn something new on this forum.....thanks for the inputs
 

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evetsmd":2qae6ahm said:
Is that double loop thru the carabiner and then tie off a common form of knoting or a scheme of knoting that you came up with? Why this approach rather than an eye splice over a thimble and carabiner.
What size carabiner are you using?

My whole reason for clipping my stern lines to the eyes was because if I crossed my lines while docked stern-to, they would be across my motor. With constant wave and wind action, it would only take one season before the paint on the motor would become permanently scarred.

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The upside of crossing the lines is that the boat moves very little in the slip because the boat is always pulling against one line or the other. In my old slip (bow towards the seawall), I could cross my stern lines without the lines contacting the motor.

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The downside of crossing the lines while stern-to is damage to the paint. That is why I came up with the method I use.

Because the lines are not crossed, it does allow the boat to wander a bit. To correct that, I run 2 spring lines (one on each side) to check lateral movement.

I run a total of 7 lines on my boat. 2 conventional bow lines, 2 spring lines (attached forward to check rearward movement), the 2 stern lines (which check forward movement), and a small 'locator line' off the stbd quarter so the boat doesn't move away from the finger pier when stepping on and off. :shock:

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Not certain of the size of those clips... I'll have to remember to measure them tomorrow. Rough guess... 4 to 5". It was one of the largest stainless clips that Boaters World had on the shelf. :)

As far as my knots... :)
The knot that you see is called a "double figure 8 on a bight" and the tail behind the figure 8 is secured with two half hitches (and a zip tie).

I used that knot because I can tie it in my sleep :). It can also be untied without resorting to a knife if needed.

The "family of 8 knots" are used extensively in technical rope rescue (which I used to teach) and that particular family of knots stresses the rope much less than a bowline will. I rarely tie a bowline anymore, and will substitute a figure 8 whenever I can.

Why did I double it on the clip? Extra chafe and strain relief.
Why the two half hitches? Habit. It isn't needed with a figure 8, but it does make a tidy package when neatness counts. 8)

If you wanted to splice an eye in the line you could easilly do so. I chose to put the eye (in a slip loop) around the piling, and tie the other end. In fact I do that with all of my lines.

Some folks like to put the eye on a cleat and tie the piling. My preference is to put the eye in a slip loop over the piling, and tie off to the cleat. That allows me to better adjust my lines depending on weather conditions. This method has already proved beneficial through several tropical storms, which is why it's my preferred method. Or... maybe I'm just 'different'. :wink:

How do I know where to place my lines when I dock, if there isn't a simple eye to throw on a cleat?
All of my lines are marked with a zip tie to show me where to make the line fast.

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Sooooooo..... It's really not just one thing that caused me to secure my boat the way I do.
Remember... you asked! :lol:
 
I have mine the same way on the back of boat it is so much easier to unhook it so fast with the clips i love it,there are a ton of guys at my marina that do it as well.!!!
 
Capt. Kevin......thank you for the detailed response....actually I tie my boat much the same as you including a seventh line to keep the boat close to my finger pier during boarding and loading.

Looks like Keith uses the carabiner clips as well and like him what caught my attention was the ease of attaching the line.

Found a site that shows how to tie the "double figure 8 on a bight" see the picture.

Got some rope, gave it a try and it worked just fine.....

Before I go down to the dock.....what comes to mind is if I put an eye (in a slip loop) around the piling (which I do), and use the biter end for the carabiner and double figure 8 on a bight, what's the secret to getting the loop and carabiner at the right spot.

Right now my solution is 2 or 3 beers and trial and error........is there another way? Thinking about it, my solution is not so bad!
 

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evetsmd":5mb5si0w said:
Before I go down to the dock.....what comes to mind is if I put an eye (in a slip loop) around the piling (which I do), and use the biter end for the carabiner and double figure 8 on a bight, what's the secret to getting the loop and carabiner at the right spot.

Right now my solution is 2 or 3 beers and trial and error........is there another way? Thinking about it, my solution is not so bad!


Your solution is perfect, and it was my solution as well. :lol:

If you come to the CP Rendezvous on August 9th, I'll show you an easier way to tie that figure 8.
The method in your illustration is correct, but there is a quicker and easier way to do it. :wink:
 
Megabyte":dn71ycwt said:
The knot that you see is called a "double figure 8 on a bight" and the tail behind the figure 8 is secured with two half hitches (and a zip tie).

:shock: Jeez! I kinda wish I had paid more attention when I was a Boy Scout.

I need to figure out a system similar to this as I keep my boat on a lift.

During hurricane season, we get some storms with strong winds and the boat just swings between the pilings. I would like to rig up something that prevents the lift from swinging as much between the pilings.

Obviously, in a Class 5 hurricane, it won't matter but, at least for the "weaker " winds, I need to rig something up that allows me to adjust the tension. I don't need to worry about changing water levels as I can raise the lift up pretty high if I have to.
 
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