Well I installed them, and we went out for a couple of days and alot of boat time, at first I used the tabs like normal with the trim tabs I have and was freaking out, ran like crap, but once I played with the motors and the trim tabs I have and got the feel and kind of figured it out, they are good, the boat holds much better in the seas, this day was about 2 to 4 ft seas, but with out the permatrims the boat would travel alot, now it does not, I like them, my gas is wayyyyyyyy better, without, I am always ( since I painted the bottom ) at somewhere between 1.7 and 1.9, now I am at 2.2 to 2.5, that works, any of you guys that have them , please give pointers on how you use the permatrims with your trim tabs, it is very different, and if they are not set right (trimming) then the drag is crazy, but once you find the spot, they are cool ! I found that I did not really have to lower my regulator tabs but one click !