Repower a 2001 2530

[TheNewKid]

Hello All!

I am new to forums and new to Parkers, so bear with me please! I have been reading tons of forums both here and on hulltruth, etc, and cannot seem to find the information I want. I started a small water taxi service based in Midcoast Maine recently and am looking to get a more solid reliable boat than I have been using. In comes the 2001 2530 with twin 2001 hpdi Yamahas I will soon be closing on. I am very excited to be joining the Parker community and am curious to hear your thoughts on the 2530.

The reason I have decided to post to the forum is this. I am looking to move the hpdi's to my 258 Mako and repower the Parker with a single engine. Right now there is an Armstrong bracket that can hold either one or two motors with a maximum of 500 hp. I like the simplicity of having a single outboard with a limp home kicker, but understand the benefits to twins as well. Seeing as I will be running upwards of 8 hours a day, I will be putting some serious hours on whatever I do get. Right now I am looking at the 300 Zukes and Evinrude G2s. What are your thoughts regarding switching to one motor? What is your preferred setup? Unfortunately cost is a limiting factor...

To give you a slight bit of background, I am 26 years old, I started this business with an 82 Mako with twin 1992 150 2 stroke Yamahas that I bought with lobstering money. Unfortunately I am not exactly cash rich, so I am looking to sell the Mako with the HPDIs for money to put towards the repower on the Parker. Any and all thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thank you again everyone!

 

[mheltunen]

I vote the zuke


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[MadGar]

I may be wrong here but a thought for you to double check on for the 2530. Since it originally came with twin 200s I believe it’s probably a deep V model instead of the modV. If that is the case I am not too certain a 300 will be enough motor for you to be comfortable in. If it is indeed the mod V you would be fine. I believe someone with more 2530 experience will chime in. Good luck.

 

[MadGar]

Is this the boat your looking at? https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001/p ... 7mJ1FopCf0

If so, it is a Deep V. Nice boat

 

[shawnee83]

I agree with Madgar. Especially since you are running a ferry service. I’m assuming you may be taking people and perhaps luggage, supplies etc.. between islands? Also assuming that you may have 6 passengers and yourself many times? Also assuming that running 8 hrs a day, you will be filling your fuel tanks full regularly? Parker’s are heavy boats and with the extra cabin size, the 2530’s are heavier than the 2520’s I think? I get why you would want to go with a single and kicker absolutely but if you are going to be doing all of the above, a single 300 may be struggling? If you go this route, my vote is the Suzuki all the way. If it is the boat on the link, looks very nice and a decent deal. Maybe consider running a season with the current motors and just sell the Mako with what’s on it? Can sell the HDPI’s stand alone next year after evaluation?

 

[TheNewKid]

Hi guys, thank you for the responses. That is indeed the boat! Hopefully closing this week. I am definitely considering leaving what's on there and selling next year, but one of the motors on the Mako has a bad cylinder, greatly decreasing resale value.

Is this the boat your looking at? https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001/p ... 7mJ1FopCf0

If so, it is a Deep V. Nice boat

As for the deadrise, definitely the 21 degree. I ran a friends 14 degree 2520 for a few weeks this summer and non-experienced boaters were not comfortable in the Penobscot Bay chop.

I have twins, I like the maneuverability with them, I just worry about the extra maintenance etc. I am definitely concerned that the 300 wouldn't be enough though. Perhaps newer twin 150s instead of 200s??

 

[shawnee83]

I’ve never prescribed to the theory of smaller HP equating to fuel savings. If you have to run the smaller motors harder to accomplish needed speed and performance then you burn just as much fuel. JMO. You do want to consider how much weight you put back there though. The power and weight is a balancing act on a Parker as they tend to be stern heavy. Should you add the new 4S Yamaha 200’s to the list?

 

[TheNewKid]

I’ve never prescribed to the theory of smaller HP equating to fuel savings. If you have to run the smaller motors harder to accomplish needed speed and performance then you burn just as much fuel. JMO. You do want to consider how much weight you put back there though. The power and weight is a balancing act on a Parker as they tend to be stern heavy. Should you add the new 4S Yamaha 200’s to the list?

I totally agree with you, bigger motors wouldn't be working as hard, therefore hopefully better fuel economy. Unfortunately my restrictions are monetary, that's why I was looking at smaller motors and the Suzukis and Evinrudes. I am also wondering if the 4 stroke Suzuki is really better then the 2 stroke Evinrude which seems to get better mpg numbers, but does require oil. Granted it does not call for the servicing that a 4 stroke does. This is just a huge decision for me and I want to make sure I make the right one!

 

[Antidote]

I understand you financial worries; however, it would be a bad thing if you were to lay out the money for a new motor only to be disappointed with the performance. Your doing the right thing by asking others what they think. Just make sure you hear what they are saying. There are Many ways to look at this. Initial cost. Maintenance costs. Operating costs. That being said, this needs to be a business decision because, I assume, this is a for profit business.

I just picked up a new 2520 XLD with twin 200 Yamaha's which is the highest HP the factory will hang on them. The hulls are rated to 500 hp; however, I assume the added weight of the v6 250s Vs. the I4 200s is the determining factor. My vote is for the twin 200s. As you have discussed, another option you have is a large single like the 425hp Yamaha. The problem I see is if you have a failure while operating a business you may not be able to recover.

There are two lines of thought when you're deciding on twins Vs. a large single. First is, all mechanical things need maintenance and break down. One engine reduces your liabilities by simply having less moving parts. The second is, two is better than one to make sure you get home safe.

I used to fly for a living. The reliability in aviation is probably the highest of any industry. There is a reason; however, why a pilot must be more vigilant when flying a single engine airplane than a multi engine airplane. If that one engine quits you have to be ready to land now and maybe not on an airport. The second engine buys you the time and comfort of being able to control the airplane (with limitations) under your own terms for the best outcome.

Sorry for the long post. I'm just trying to give you some food for thought.

 

[Brent]

M2cw What is the current condition of the HPDI motors. Hours? If well maintained and solid then keep and save. Do you have trim tabs and Permatrims? What is max RPMs? Could re prop for better mph and heavy loads like 4 blades props. Ask the Ken at PropGods for normal running loads
Have you dialed in.motors heights so anti cavitation plates are right position when on plane?

B2

 

[TheNewKid]

I understand you financial worries; however, it would be a bad thing if you were to lay out the money for a new motor only to be disappointed with the performance. Your doing the right thing by asking others what they think. Just make sure you hear what they are saying. There are Many ways to look at this. Initial cost. Maintenance costs. Operating costs. That being said, this needs to be a business decision because, I assume, this is a for profit business.

I just picked up a new 2520 XLD with twin 200 Yamaha's which is the highest HP the factory will hang on them. The hulls are rated to 500 hp; however, I assume the added weight of the v6 250s Vs. the I4 200s is the determining factor. My vote is for the twin 200s. As you have discussed, another option you have is a large single like the 425hp Yamaha. The problem I see is if you have a failure while operating a business you may not be able to recover.

There are two lines of thought when you're deciding on twins Vs. a large single. First is, all mechanical things need maintenance and break down. One engine reduces your liabilities by simply having less moving parts. The second is, two is better than one to make sure you get home safe.

I used to fly for a living. The reliability in aviation is probably the highest of any industry. There is a reason; however, why a pilot must be more vigilant when flying a single engine airplane than a multi engine airplane. If that one engine quits you have to be ready to land now and maybe not on an airport. The second engine buys you the time and comfort of being able to control the airplane (with limitations) under your own terms for the best outcome.

Sorry for the long post. I'm just trying to give you some food for thought.

Hey Antidote, no need to apologize, I appreciate you taking the time to write out your thoughts! I am definitely in that in-between place. I like the idea of less to break down, lower operating costs, and less maintenance with a single, BUT obviously the get home safe motor is a huge benefit. Even if it means a few more gallons an hour, more maintenance, and more potential failure points. Granted, with newer motors, likelihood of failure is decreased, though obviously never eliminated.

M2cw What is the current condition of the HPDI motors. Hours? If well maintained and solid then keep and save. Do you have trim tabs and Permatrims? What is max RPMs? Could re prop for better mph and heavy loads like 4 blades props. Ask the Ken at PropGods for normal running loads
Have you dialed in.motors heights so anti cavitation plates are right position when on plane?

B2

To my moderately trained eye, the HPDI's are in decent shape, especially being almost 18 years old. Right around 750 hrs, which is nothing, and supposedly meticulously maintained. The kind of guy that dropped it at the shop each year and said "Do whatever needs to be done." There are trim tabs on the boat, but no Permatrims. Do those make significant difference? Also, would they work space-wise with twins? I've only ever seen them on a single. Hopefully I will have the boat home where it belongs later this week and I can give you some more stats on max RPM and consumption. I am definitely interested in getting these motors as efficient as possible since, after running the numbers, I would have to sell my first born to afford new motors!! I've always been uncertain about repropping, motor height, etc...

It's definitely a lot cheaper to get some Permatrims and new props than new motors!

Any and all advice on this front would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the reply Brent!

 

[eyedoc]

I have Permatrims on my twin 150 4 strokes pushing a 2510 XLD... best move ever !

 

[Brent]

I just looking on the money side of the story running a small business of the equation


B2

 

[TheNewKid]

I have Permatrims on my twin 150 4 strokes pushing a 2510 XLD... best move ever !

Glad to hear it! Definitely interested in getting every last inch per gallon out of these motors!

I just looking on the money side of the story running a small business of the equation


B2

And I appreciate it, good looking out. Sometimes all it takes is someone to wake you up a bit!

 

[Brent]

Is there any business opps towing a work barge or pontoon platform with construction materials, charter cruises, tours seal watching, etc

I would be saving money for expansion

Beautiful area, too!

 

[TheNewKid]

Is there any business opps towing a work barge or pontoon platform with construction materials, charter cruises, tours seal watching, etc

I would be saving money for expansion

Beautiful area, too!

Absolutely Brent, I have just been up an running for a year, and I actually turned a profit in year one. Basically a proof of concept trial phase. There are a few small barge pushers/ tugs around. And by a few I mean I can think of one, but I'm pretty sure there is another one...

As far as what I offer, most of the demand has been for a simple water taxi service. The state ferries are very slow and there aren't many of them (3), which makes what I offer very appealing to the impatient, or the late! I do offer sunset cruises (byob), seal watching, puffin scouting (popular and adorable!), etc. And have actually been hired to tow a Hinckley Picnic boat 12 miles, which was quite a sight. The old $6000 boat towing the $1.3 million dollar one! Thankfully I did my towing endorsement when getting my 100 ton. I am definitely interested in getting into transporting contractor crews out the islands as that would be a steady supplement to my income.

Basically, if you want to do something on the water, and you're willing to pay me for it, I'm game! I think you guys have brought up really great points that I need to be saving as much as possible so that, if and when, the time comes for expansion I can be ready and not lose on potential revenue sources.

It's really quite cool to be a member of this forum and have people I don't know be so helpful! Thank you all, I'm very glad to be here!