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Charlieroc

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I am getting down to the wire on a boat purchase; however, one boat I am considering is linerless (Privateer) and the other boat I am considering has a liner (Parker). Both boats have a deck, but the Parker has an interior wall separating the open deck space from the side of the hull. Between the wall and the hull is storage space, but what else is gained (structurally or otherwise) by having this wall? The Privateer's deck just extends to the hull sides, no wall. I posted this on another forum as well, just trying to learn something.
 
Not sure what you are calling a 'liner', as my boat certainly doesn't have one.
My deck runs out to, and is attached to the hull as you can see in these two photos.

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Which model are you looking at :?:
 
I am not certain what a liner is either. I am just repeating what I heard. Is it something to do with a tw piece boat versus three piece boat?
 
Charlieroc":2gg2s6wk said:
I am not certain what a liner is either. I am just repeating what I heard. Is it something to do with a tw piece boat versus three piece boat?
That's exactly it! A boat with a liner is a 3-piece boat, outside hull, deck, and inside liner. Can't tell you exactly "why?", but that's the way most boats, wlak-arounds and CCs, were made from the origination of fiberglass boats in the 70s up to late 80s or later.

While one could say a 2-piece boat is cheaper to mold and manufacture, that does NOT mean it is cheaper constuction. With a proper layup schedule, it could be stronger than a poorly designed or constructed 3- piece hull.

Some 3-piece designs are really 4-piece designs (Parker hulls), consisting of integral grid/stringer system (like Parker uses for strength), liner, hull, and finally the gunnel top-cap. Nowadays I'd guess one sees mostly hulls without liners to keeps MFG costs reasonable. Then too, there are rolled edge skiffs (think open boats like Carolina skiffs) that are a further design concept of the liner-less designs, as this eliminate the gunnel top cap or washboards.

IMHO there are some benefits with liner type hulls, as cubby holes are cut in them for ready storage places and it puts cables and wires out of exposed areas. Another benfit, if designed that way, is the liner can form a ready 'toe rail' feature into it, plus have under-gunnel built-in rod storage.

The only drawback I could envision would be if/when a liner delaminated from the hull, but it's so rare that I've never heard of it. I know of old 70s vintage Makos where the deck finally let go from the strngers, but again, zero longevity issues with a liner boat from what I've observed.

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2-piece hull design:
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Photo credits: sparkybell627
 
Dale,
Your drawings imply little difference, the exception being a separate top cap versus one that is integral to the 'liner'. So, if a two piece boat is a liner-less boat, it still has an interior wall to which the deck joins? Sorry, if I sound so dense.
 
Well, a 2-piece still needs a deck, as the mold cannot form the bottom (running part) of the hull AND the deck at the same time. Maybe this is a better depiction, 1 piece being the hull and the other the top cap, but note a deck is laid in. The real difference is whether or not a liner (think INNER wall) is installed.
 

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3 piece boats can have a full liner too. It is like my Maycraft vs the Judge.

The maycraft just had a floor put in over the stringers that ended at the hull sides. The Judge has a full liner that includes the floor and inside the hull sides. This is seperate from the cap.

Here is a photo of the floor and "liner" of my boat being put together:
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Now the questions to what are the advantages of the full liner vs just a floor is subject to debate. The most obvious advantage is the finished look you get inside the boat. You get a smooth inside the gunwales that can be easier to clean. The second is more up to debate and I will just present it as I am not an engineer. However some argue that a full liner gives the boat more strength as the liner is another point bonded to the cap and hull. With a liner in the 3 piece boat, the hull, deck and cap are all bonded togther along with the floor to the stringers whereas a 3 piece hull without a liner has just the hull and cap bonded together with the floor only bonded to the stringers.

Here is the 3 piece hull with a liner competed.
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Privateers are Parkers are both well made great boats and I would be a happy owner of either.
 
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