2310 house battery relocation, 70lb AGM, reinforce hull?

[izzy003]

I have a AGM 24 as my starter and a AGM 31 as my house battery, both in port transom stock location. These batteries weigh a ton, 50lbs and 70lbs.

I want to relocate the house battery (31 series, 70lbs) to the bow. I added a 65gallon bait tank and the stern is sitting fairly low now all filled up.

I was thinking the starboard V berth area, as shown in the pic. I would have to build a flat platform for the battery to sit, and wedge it close to the bulkhead. Can the hull handle this weight up there, directly on the hull? Should I glass in some structural support to distribute the weight more?

 

[warthog5]

I added a 65gallon bait tank

Where Exactly did you mount it? On the Swim platform? Putting a battery in the Bow is a Bad idea... Pounding a Battery is not good for them.

65gal =539.5lbs Thats what you need to Rethink and WHERE exactly it is sitting in the boat.

 

[tomc585]

Battery-Bow-Bad

 

[izzy003]

I mounted the tank as forward as I could, using the existing deck cutout. I only run it about 1/2 full when I go offshore, even 1/2 full keeps my live bait much happier than my old 28 gallon tank. Filling it completely would be way too heavy imho, especially with full tank of gas, ice, and fishing buddy.

The boat does sit a bit lower, with the rear deck drain scuppers on the transom mostly submerged. I have 3 of the deck drains below. It makes me nervous having the rear scuppers submerged, so was planning on adding light weight Trudesign ball valves to the 4 1.5" thru-hulls on the transom for some added insurance. I have 4 1.5" thru-hulls on the transom (3 deck drains and 1 bait tank discharge), and adding bronze thru-hull/ball valve/hose fitting would be like an extra 50lbs. Trying to have a bit safer alternative that is light.

Sounds like moving the house battery to the bow wouldn't be the best move.

 

[Bodick93]

Lithium batteries maybe? I know those AGMs were expensive, but don't know where they are in the lifespan.

 

[Inshore Chaser]

Lithium batteries maybe? I know those AGMs were expensive, but don't know where they are in the lifespan.

Assuming the boat is powered by Yamaha...it will not support charging lithiums. At least according to Yamaha's manual. You would think the newer models would be compatible but apparently not.

 

[Aheider]

I'm not sure moving the batteries forward as described would change the attitude of the boat an appreciable amount. You might create a lot of hassle for nothing.

 

[big_tuna]

What did you end up doing? I have a 2310 woth a 65g bait tank too. I would like to move batteries to the v berth, but worried about pounding them, I think agm batteries can handle it

 

[parker17]

I mounted the tank as forward as I could, using the existing deck cutout. I only run it about 1/2 full when I go offshore, even 1/2 full keeps my live bait much happier than my old 28 gallon tank. Filling it completely would be way too heavy imho, especially with full tank of gas, ice, and fishing buddy.

The boat does sit a bit lower, with the rear deck drain scuppers on the transom mostly submerged. I have 3 of the deck drains below. It makes me nervous having the rear scuppers submerged, so was planning on adding light weight Trudesign ball valves to the 4 1.5" thru-hulls on the transom for some added insurance. I have 4 1.5" thru-hulls on the transom (3 deck drains and 1 bait tank discharge), and adding bronze thru-hull/ball valve/hose fitting would be like an extra 50lbs. Trying to have a bit safer alternative that is light.

Sounds like moving the house battery to the bow wouldn't be the best move.

Guy, please stop while your ahead. It's clear you have limited knowledge. Your making your boat unsafe.

 

[pelagic2530]

Guy, please stop while your ahead. It's clear you have limited knowledge. Your making your boat unsafe.

If you’ve got solid advice to offer, or a specific reason as to why you think someone has a bad idea, feel free to share it. If you’re just here to insult other members’ knowledge, take it back to TheHullTruth, that’s not what this forum is about.

 

[parker17]

If you’ve got solid advice to offer, or a specific reason as to why you think someone has a bad idea, feel free to share it. If you’re just here to insult other members’ knowledge, take it back to TheHullTruth, that’s not what this forum is about.

That is solid advise...stop while your ahead before you sink that thing. Take it or leave it

 

[pelagic2530]

That is solid advise...stop while your ahead before you sink that thing. Take it or leave it

If you’d have said “putting valves on the scuppers is a bad idea because the cockpit won’t self bail if you take on water” or actually offered any sort of constructive feedback, I’d agree with you. You didn’t. You just insulted another member’s knowledge without providing anything useful. Be productive or just state your opinion if you like, but in either case don’t be rude about it, this isn’t the place.

 

[parker17]

If you’d have said “putting valves on the scuppers is a bad idea because the cockpit won’t self bail if you take on water” or actually offered any sort of constructive feedback, I’d agree with you. You didn’t. You just insulted another member’s knowledge without providing anything useful. Be productive or just state your opinion if you like, but in either case don’t be rude about it, this isn’t the place.

Lol stop it

 

[parker17]

If you’d have said “putting valves on the scuppers is a bad idea because the cockpit won’t self bail if you take on water” or actually offered any sort of constructive feedback, I’d agree with you. You didn’t. You just insulted another member’s knowledge without providing anything useful. Be productive or just state your opinion if you like, but in either case don’t be rude about it, this isn’t the place.

The guy adds 600 pounds(more than doubles his livewell) and telling him to stop before he sinks the boat is rude??

I'll say it again....STOP BEFORE YOU SINK THAT BOAT!

 

[big_tuna]

Tons of people on the west coast have 65g bait tanks on their parker 23s myself included. It doesn't sink the boat.

 

[kelpdonkey]

I have a 2320 with 65 gal livewell and run it full with 3-4 dudes and 240lb ice, we recently put a permatrim and ofs4 15 pitch and the boat has much more stern lift and will plane at 15mph fuel econ better as well, very minimal bow rise even when fully loaded, we looked into moving the batteries and don't think it's worth the hassle and cost according to my mechanic.

 

[pelagic2530]

The guy adds 600 pounds(more than doubles his livewell) and telling him to stop before he sinks the boat is rude??

I'll say it again....STOP BEFORE YOU SINK THAT BOAT!

A Parker 2310 is rated, per the capacity plate, for 8 persons or 1185lbs. With that livewell brimming full, he’s still got 585lbs of people to play around with. In fact, it’s rated for 2600lbs persons, motor, and gear. So 600lbs of water puts him very far from “SINKING THAT BOAT”, although it may make it stern heavy, as he describes.

And no, expressing what you consider to be a concern (albeit erroneously) is not rude. Telling someone that they “clearly have limited knowledge” is both condescending and unhelpful.

In light of the facts above, I’d respectfully suggest that it’s not the OP that has limited knowledge in this case.

 

[parker17]

A Parker 2310 is rated, per the capacity plate, for 8 persons or 1185lbs. With that livewell brimming full, he’s still got 585lbs of people to play around with. In fact, it’s rated for 2600lbs persons, motor, and gear. So 600lbs of water puts him very far from “SINKING THAT BOAT”, although it may make it stern heavy, as he describes.

And no, expressing what you consider to be a concern (albeit erroneously) is not rude. Telling someone that they “clearly have limited knowledge” is both condescending and unhelpful.

In light of the facts above, I’d respectfully suggest that it’s not the OP that has limited knowledge in this case.

You don't know how to read a capacity plate...yes on the weight but EVENLY dispursed.

You wouldn't be able to have anyone other than the captain at the console(maybe one other light guy) without water coming through the scuppers.

A Parker 2310 is rated, per the capacity plate, for 8 persons or 1185lbs. With that livewell brimming full, he’s still got 585lbs of people to play around with. In fact, it’s rated for 2600lbs persons, motor, and gear. So 600lbs of water puts him very far from “SINKING THAT BOAT”, although it may make it stern heavy, as he describes.

And no, expressing what you consider to be a concern (albeit erroneously) is not rude. Telling someone that they “clearly have limited knowledge” is both condescending and unhelpful.

In light of the facts above, I’d respectfully suggest that it’s not the OP that has limited knowledge in this case.

My comments were more in reference to the lack of common sense that was expressed...batteries to the bow, installed a 65 gallon livewell and states he's only filling it halfway(which makes zero sense for changing it), etc.

600 Lbs of livewell at the stern is a ridiculous amount of weight on a 23' boat.

Not to mention he's talking about adding another 50-100lbs of hardware to make the stern sink less??

He will be maxing out his weight capacity with 1-2 more people, batteries, accessories, motor, FUEL, etc etc etc.

Who in their right mind would run a 23' boat nearly maxed out??

That capacity plate is a guide(a fairly accurate guide) but common sense must take over. Sure let's slap on 600lbs of sloshing water on top of an outboard that probably weighs 500lbs = that's 1,100 lbs at the stern just motor and livewell.

It's a 23'er not a 28. You do you though

 

[pelagic2530]

You don't know how to read a capacity plate...yes on the weight but EVENLY dispursed.

You wouldn't be able to have anyone other than the captain at the console(maybe one other light guy) without water coming through the scuppers.

My comments were more in reference to the lack of common sense that was expressed...batteries to the bow, installed a 65 gallon livewell and states he's only filling it halfway(which makes zero sense for changing it), etc.

600 Lbs of livewell at the stern is a ridiculous amount of weight on a 23' boat.

Not to mention he's talking about adding another 50-100lbs of hardware to make the stern sink less??

He will be maxing out his weight capacity with 1-2 more people, batteries, accessories, motor, FUEL, etc etc etc.

Who in their right mind would run a 23' boat nearly maxed out??

That capacity plate is a guide(a fairly accurate guide) but common sense must take over. Sure let's slap on 600lbs of sloshing water on top of an outboard that probably weighs 500lbs = that's 1,100 lbs at the stern just motor and livewell.

It's a 23'er not a 28. You do you though

The tank is mounted in the forward part of the cockpit, on the centerline. He posted a picture.

He’s well within capacity limits, the weight is on the centerline, and it’s in the cockpit, presumably where the boat is designed to carry weight. If he’s only running with a couple other people (as you said, it’s a 23’ boat) then he’s perfectly fine.

If the boat is stern heavy, yeah, that sucks. But it’s not gonna sink because of the livewell.

Moving FLA batteries to the bow is probably not the right call. AGMs might hold up to it, but their lifespan will be shortened. I doubt the juice is really worth the squeeze.

I don’t think ball valves on the scuppers is a good idea either; too hard to get open quickly in an emergency.

I’ve had good luck with the ball scuppers. They make an annoying sound while drifting sometimes, but they do a pretty good job keeping the deck dry. That’s where I’d start, and see if the issue persists.

If you need more stern lift while running, a four blade prop and/or a Permatrim are both popular options.

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on the specifics of your concerns, rather than just making exaggerated comments like “YOU’RE GONNA SINK IT” and insulting people’s intelligence. It’s really way more productive that way.

 

[parker17]

The tank is mounted in the forward part of the cockpit, on the centerline. He posted a picture.

He’s well within capacity limits, the weight is on the centerline, and it’s in the cockpit, presumably where the boat is designed to carry weight. If he’s only running with a couple other people (as you said, it’s a 23’ boat) then he’s perfectly fine.

If the boat is stern heavy, yeah, that sucks. But it’s not gonna sink because of the livewell.

Moving FLA batteries to the bow is probably not the right call. AGMs might hold up to it, but their lifespan will be shortened. I doubt the juice is really worth the squeeze.

I don’t think ball valves on the scuppers is a good idea either; too hard to get open quickly in an emergency.

I’ve had good luck with the ball scuppers. They make an annoying sound while drifting sometimes, but they do a pretty good job keeping the deck dry. That’s where I’d start, and see if the issue persists.

If you need more stern lift while running, a four blade prop and/or a Permatrim are both popular options.

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on the specifics of your concerns, rather than just making exaggerated comments like “YOU’RE GONNA SINK IT” and insulting people’s intelligence. It’s really way more productive that way.

"Sink it" was a figure of speech c'mon guy....you know exactly what my whole point is.

There was a reason the engineers at Parker put a livewell that was more than half that size.

What kind of outboard(s) does this guy have? Anyone know?