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Here is my Judge Yachts 27 Chesapeake with a 2009 Honda 225 swinging a 15.5x15 4 blade SS prop. She was LOADED FOR BEAR running back into an outgoing tide in the mouth of the Potomac in calm water. (I should have taken a shot running with the tide :p ) There was 5 on board, nearly full fuel, cooler filled with our limit of striped bass and ice, full fishing gear for running a full spread with planer boards (17 poles and tackle to go with it) and misc. stuff.

27.8-28.2mph burning 9.4-9.6gph, turning just under 4400 rpms. I have seen as high as a little over 3.3mpg with regular load. At WOT she hit just over 39mph at a tick under 6000rpms
 

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B-Faithful":1684ycm4 said:
27.8-28.2mph burning 9.4-9.6gph, turning just under 4400 rpms. I have seen as high as a little over 3.3mpg with regular load. At WOT she hit just over 39mph at a tick under 6000rpms

WOW :shock: That's awesome! Nice.
 
At 25 kts I'm burning 13 to 14 gph @ ~4300 rpm.
9 gph is a lot nicer. 8)
 
Those are great numbers.


Your boat is proof positive that a correct set up with the right prop is key. A 27ft Boat with 225hp with 5 people and full fuel that planes off fine and get 28 mph at cruise is great.


Are you a Honda man for life now? :D
 
I really like the Honda so far but I still really liked my Mercs too. While the Honda is quiet and has a great reputaiton for reliability, I certainly miss the DTS and Smartcraft of the Merc. Mostly the DTS. I only have 83.4 hours on my Honda as of now so time will tell how I feel overal
 
I would give my right arm to see your try some more wheels on your boat. :D


I would love to compare your wheel against

15pitch Rev 4
15pitch Enertia
15pitch Mirage
 
optimaxfish":3o15iz30 said:
if yer had a Rev4, at least yer would have a Merc prop 8)

there's one on eBay now around $225, need a Honda adapter. If you go that route, raise up motor.

Why would tell him to raise the motor if he gets the Rev4? Just curious.
 
The rev 4 holds the water very well and you can run the motor very high in the water giving you more speed and efficiency. The 4 blade I am running has those attributes as well and my motor is mounted pretty high.

One of the reasons I chose the Honda over the zuke was that Judge has carried Honda much longer and did a lot of prop testing with the motor. I will post a link to the prop I am running tomorrow and I think you will be surprised to what it is... off to bed
 
I am running a 4 Blade OFX Sabre-X Performance Prop. The reason I am surprised that Bill swears this prop gave the boat the best performance of all the Honda props by powertech that Judge tested, is that it is a bow lifing prop and a prop made primarily for performance boats. Here is Hondas description of the prop:

"Maximum bowlift is provided by the full 15.25 inch diameter in a narrowed blade profile with double cupped tip. Excellent
performance with a jackplate or high transom mount. This prop provides great handling on bass and bay boats. May also be used
on offshore applications where maximum bow lift is required."

( http://www.honda-marine.com/catalog/pdf ... ellers.pdf )

As you can see the prop is designed for a high motor mount. (Judge raised my motor about 1" than their traditional setting too because I was questioning the motor height) But, a bow lifting prop surprised me because I have had a tendency to think a transom lifting prop like a Merc Rev 4 would be more ideal for quicker planing and maintaining plane at slower speeds... However, while I havent had a Rev 4 on the Judge, one of the disappointing things about it on my Maycraft was that it wouldnt hold plane at slow speeds and the prop would lose bite and ventilate (something it wouldnt do running at good speed at all). It was one of the reasons I switched to an Enertia on the boat and was more happy. This Honda prop holds bite from off plane all the way up to full planing speed. Even one night with megabyte I think we were doing somewhere between 10 and 12mph holding plane with little tab with the prop.

The other thing I like about the prop is that I I have less prop slip when I calculate it over any of the Merc props I ran on myt last boat. I am not sure if this is due to the slightly larger diameter of the prop, the fact that I am stepping down to a 15" pitch prop due to the Honda needing more rpms than the merc and pushing a slightly larger boat, or what. I certainly think that the Merc gear case was more hydrodynamic than the Honda as the Honda gear case is kind of big and bulky and a little more "sloppy" through the water. It is also strange in the sense that they are "thinner blades" as described by Honda. I would have thought that a larger surface area would have helped in this area. (the props do have A LOT of cup though)

I will say that I certainly have to trim the motor down more when running for max speed and efficiency than the merc props I ran. This took a bit of time getting used to as I ran with the motor trimmed fairly high with the merc props on my last boat. However having the motor trimmed down more makes sense to me being that it is a bow liftin prop and by tucking the motor down a little more I see more energy going forward. The bow lifting feature may also help with the efficiency in the fact that the Judge has a deep v entry of 45 degrees, a 24 degree mid ship before flattening out to like 10 degrees at the transom and by getting the bow up slighly I am creating less water drag. However I dont notice that the boat runs bow high and I have no problem getting the bow down especially with the QL tabs.

Like I said it is not a prop that I would have thought would work well on the boat and probably would have been the last one I tested but it really works well and I dont have a lof of desire to test others right now as I am pretty satisfied with the performance. Bill Judge told me he tested nearly every Honda prop on the list as he really wanted to make sure he sold the boats with the right prop and found this one to work the best. He also said of all the props he tested it held the water the best too. Of course he limited his testing to the Honda props available but powertech is said to make pretty good props for Honda. I guess prop testing really is a science that will never be figured out and it just takes trial and error to get it right.

Here is an image of the performance prop I am using:
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The bow lifting prop makes total sense to me.

I would suspect that the design of the hull and topsides would tend to want to force the bow down on all boats like yours (flat in the back and most of the weight up front). On your Judge it sounds like the prop does such a good job at picking up the nose that it goes too far up and that's why when you trim down you gain efficiency.

A stern lifting prop is the exact opposite of what I would put on that type of boat. Lifting the rear up and forcing the bow down would increase the tendency to bow steer. My guess is that you had to trim the Merc up high on the Maycraft to try and get the nose up because the stern lifting prop was forcing it down. Stern lifting props are for boats with fat @sses....like my Grady. :D

Anyway, those numbers look good. :)
 
15.5 is a BIG prop. Lots of bite. I've always tried to get the biggest (diameter-wise) prop, then adjust the pitch to get the right rpms.
 
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