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chrismele

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I'm looking at a 1995 Parker 2510 with a hard top. Motor is blown and the boat has been sitting a few years. Tank needs to be drained and the boat needs a good wash. Comes with an old trailer - the cupler is broken. No electronics to speak of and the wirring looks like a mess. All of the canvas for the encloser needs to be replaced.

The good part is she seems to be solid and the hull has no damage

What do you think this boat is worth/ what should I offer?
 
Tough to make a call...does the current owner want to sell it? Has the current owner evaluated what it would cost to put an engine on it and made a decision to sell? Do you know anything about why the boat has sat for a few yrs? Situations like this are the ones that often turn into great deals. What I would do is determine what the value of the boat is with an engine running and water ready. Back out the value of the motor, estimate the trailer to be worth $500 and see what is left. I would then offer no more than 50% of what is left.

NADA Suggested List Price Low Retail

Base Price: $22,026 $5,530 $6,210
 
Sounds like you are essentially looking at buying a hull, and then going from there.
The good news is that you would be starting with a solid hull that is worth rebuilding.

Since you are looking at:

1.) re-power and new rigging
2.) having the fuel system drained and cleaned and probably replacing the fuel and vent lines
3.) cleaning up and/or replacing some of the wiring
4.) replacing batteries
5.) electronics install
6.) new canvas
7.) rebuilding the trailer

I would think no more than $5k for the hull, maybe less if there any other issues (such as fuel tank replacement).
A worthwhile project for sure, but the motor alone could cost $20k, so make an offer on the hull and see what happens.
Oh... and if you do buy the hull, photo document everything and keep detailed records. :wink:
 
chrismele":2m8zu6kj said:
I'm looking at a 1995 Parker 2510 with a hard top. Motor is blown and the boat has been sitting a few years. Tank needs to be drained and the boat needs a good wash. Comes with an old trailer - the cupler is broken. No electronics to speak of and the wirring looks like a mess. All of the canvas for the encloser needs to be replaced.

The good part is she seems to be solid and the hull has no damage

What do you think this boat is worth/ what should I offer?

If you are going to do all the work yourself, what is your time worth?

A boat in this condition I would "assume" that everything needs replacing once you get into it.

I just replaced fuel lines, hydraulic steering, electric lines and bought a new motor.
Every bit of $20,000 + a lot of lost hours that I could have been doing something else.

I would figure the boat is worth zero, natta, 0.00.

There are so many boats for sale that you could buy for the same end-game dollars.

my opinion.

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Good point talbot guy. I can say if I was buying a new engine for the 21' I completely restored from stringers to top that would be the case, but as it stands I will have $13-$15k worth of boat for under $6
 
Timely post. You know, I went through the SAME thing as when I bought my 2520 Parker she had been extensively vandalized with EVERY light, switch, knob, pump, gauge, or wire cut or smashed. Please know you will likely, if ever, only recover 50% of your financial $$ from the boat and none of your time. So, if up for a project? Go for it! I leaned soooooooooooooo much and had a truly custom boat that I could otherwise not have otherwise afforded. Here's how I'd look at it:

Boat needing repower - boat otherwise Turn-Key:
Assume the vessel/rig would be worth an honest $20K on the open market. Assume the street retail of the motor on the back (IF was working) would cost you $4K for a comparable year OB. I can see someone talking you down that $4K plus another $1-2K in rigging and trouble, for having to make the repower. If you can reppwoer to same vintage motor, the repower could just be cost to remove and re-hang the new puppy, plus maybe a System Check or similar gauge, if a year or two newer.

Boat needing repower - boat otherwise NEEDs work:
Assume same honest $20K on the open market. Subtract $Xk for street price of motor as installed, same $1-2K for rigging, new hydraulic steering is $800, plus 4-6 hours to install, if YOU yourself can't do it.

Wiring can be costly. I paid well over $600 in components just to re-do my boat. It was probably 20 hours of work.

Structural or gelcoat repair - again, depends highly on what is wrong.

Outside Labor: For any repairs YOU can't do, assume $75 to $100 per hour for someone else to fix. And remember, a 'simple' 2-hour repair might require another hour or two for a good effective review, diagnosis, and action plan.

Just remember, if you put $15K total into it ... you'll never recover your time and doubtful you'll recover your initial inve$tment, unless you get really lucky! Approach it like the guy on Pawn Stars ... to buy a junker and make her a beauty ... you have to BUY IT RIGHT in the 1st place.
 
This guy wants over 12k for the boat, blown motor and old/broken trailer.
 
chrismele":3fvikjep said:
This guy wants over 12k for the boat, blown motor and old/broken trailer.

That being the case, he will continue to own it for a long time. :roll:
 
No chance it is worth that. I think the $4-5k number on the boat is close as long as the floor is solid....You could make him the offer and let him think about it...You never know
 
I have been looking at the parker boats myself, The normal price I have seen for a late 90's model parker 23-25ft with a running engine has been around 25K +/- 5k depending on what it came with. 10k for the hull is ok, its not a deal, I would rather just buy one already set up and turn key. To put a used 250HP four stroke engine on that boat I would estimate 10k, and now your at 20k with just a boat and motor with no electronics. All the small stuff adds up quickly wireing, batteries, bilge pumps, windlass, cushions, wipers, anchor, rhode, life vest, etc.
 
Sounds like a $10k to $12k headache and at least one lost fishing season to me... I personally wouldn't do it unless it was a rare hull or I got an incredible deal on it and could swap in a good used motor for a reasonable price.
 
How mad is this guy going to be when I make him a low offer?

I think the walkaround 25' Parkers are kind of rare and this one seems to be soild (no rot). I guess I should give it a shot.
 
How disappointed are you going to be if someone else offers that and he lets it go? Honestly, figure out what you are comfortable with as top dollar and start under it and let him think he talked you up...Time is your asset in this deal. Make the offer, if he is offended then let him counter...You need to watch Pawn Stars
 
chrismele":2g1b5vi3 said:
How mad is this guy going to be when I make him a low offer?
I think the walkaround 25' Parkers are kind of rare and this one seems to be soild (no rot). I guess I should give it a shot.

Give it a shot and don't worry what he might think.
He isn't selling his wife... it's his broken boat, and he knows how broken it is.
Make your best offer and if he says no... walk away.
I will bet that within a week he calls back.

Negotiate... but be firm.
 
windknotnc":gbk3dolr said:
How disappointed are you going to be if someone else offers that and he lets it go? Honestly, figure out what you are comfortable with as top dollar and start under it and let him think he talked you up...Time is your asset in this deal. Make the offer, if he is offended then let him counter...You need to watch Pawn Stars


hahaha
 
I've been in and around sales for a long time and I've negotiated a lot of deals. I'll tell you this: statistically speaking, the first serious offer is usually the best one. Sellers don't always realize this...

Trust us; offer LESS than what you think you are willing to pay. You will never regret that approach. :lol:
 
Ask for the world and see what he gives you.

Some people have no idea what their product is truley worth. He may simply say that no matter what you offer, he will want to add $1000 to it.

So, offer him $4k. He might come back and say $5k. Always start LOW. He doesn't have to sell and you don't have to buy. So who cares about feelings? If he had better offers on the table, he wouldn't be talking to you.
 
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