pilot house capsizes

[ReelyNauti]

I think we should all take a moment to read,Most of us have similar boats and this could save a few lifes..

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/insho ... g-dur.html

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[Bryan 2530]

WoW!!!

Those Defiance boats always looked a little off to me. Heard bad things about Bo Palmer too.

Glad all those guys are alive!!!!!!!!! :!:

 

[ReelyNauti]

I really read into the story from three different website articles. I think what the captain was saying was MAKE BETTER JUDGEMENT calls when going fishing, the ocean will still be there tomorrow, YOU HOWEVER, may not be...

The entire tournament was advised not to go out, and staying in the bay was recommended, but the captain didnt head the warnings.

I have made a few close calls with storms and was forced just this Sunday to turn around, glad i did.

I hope I and all of us hear never put others in harms way, Fishing is fun but not at the expense of your life!!!

The boat, NAH!!! Defiance is kinda like a nock off Gucci bag, from 20' away looks pretty good, up close when u touch it cheap plastic...!!!

 

[BradV]

Did the first rescue boat that capsized trying to remove the Defiance flip becaues of the swell or because the other boat was stuck to the bottom? Anyone know. Not really funny but kinda especially since they are ok but how many times have you seen rescuers needing the rescuing at the end of it all. Crazy story. Glad we dont have swells like that down here.

 

[Keith FDNY]

WOW that is some story, i am glad all is well for all of you,god was will you on this trip i can tell you that!!

 

[ReelyNauti]

was stuck on bottom and tore off its tower and grounded...
the rescue boat pictured is in a side swell but was unable to get to boat the had to pick em out of water.... :shock:

 

[itguy]

This kind of begs the question - will all Parkers still float if turned upside down and/or full of water? I know my Edgewater will, but not sure about my Parker.

Assuming they are not loaded down with anything other than fuel or an anchor.

 

[pmeggers]

They'll float. At least I was told before purchasing my 23 se would.

 

[gray duck]

I was coming on to the site today to post a thought about running on one engine (of twins) when I saw this post. Wow! What i was going to say and will post in another thread is that it is amazing how little power and speed I have on one 150 vs two. Amazing!!! I was seeing if I could get up on plane. Not even close!!!!!! Dragging butt and pushing white water at 4000 rpms.

 

[Phil]

I’m sure my Parker will float and know where the flotation cells are located. If you look at the sticky link of “Parker Factory Eye Candy”, the last pic shows you where the bulkheads/box grids are located. There’s a cell under the anchor locker area, 2 big cells in the pilothouse under the driver and passenger, a couple of cells near the stern, and the gas tank which is one big cell.

I went thru the scenario of what if the boat turns turtle. It would happen fast and as a result would always trap air in the hull (and definitely trap are underneath the deck.) So one needs to figure out where the air pockets would be if the boat is upside down. I most pilothouses, there should be an air pocket in the middle of the v-berth area. On my boat, I cut a big access hatch in the middle of the pilothouse so I’m assured that there would be a big air pocket.

The key is not to panic. I have read of a sailor doing an around the world race, the ballast broke off in a storm and the boat capsized. The sailor could have exited the boat and left on a liferaft but he concluded that he was safer in the boat that was upside down. He had gear/ food there and he would be easier to locate in the air. A few days later he was rescued.

 

[Brent]

Rob Sanford is the GM at California Offshore Marine and they are the nation's largest Defiance and Shamrock dealer. He had a location in Cape Coral, FL (now gone) and I looked at Defiance boats and Parkers at the Englewood Parker dealer.
I contacted him several times and always received a prompt reply. I didnt buy one b/c we were just looking 2 yrs ago.

I am glad everyone survived

 

[KG]

Some years back a man down on his luck and needing some "insurance" money, took his 18'ft parker cc offshore w/ a skiff in tow. Yanked the stern plug, jumped into the skiff and fired a few shotgun rounds into the bow. The boat never sunk!
The best part of the story...since the boat would not sink, he took the skiff ashore, drove to the local USCG station, reported it as a hazard to navigation and was commended!

 

[big tuna]

Rob used to sell Parkers before he moved to Defiance. I tested the 22' Defiance pilothouse before I bought my 2320 and have never regretted my decision.

The few times I've gone out through Mission Bay have been pretty decent conditions...even in my friends 16' Whaler. It's hard to image it could get that nasty.

Dave

 

[rloomis]

Here's a couple links to my posts to that thread. I was in the same tourney with my 2120 and went outside the jetty same time as the Defiance and made it back in ok. The conditions were rough, but my 2120 handled it just fine. The Defiance Guadalupe probably would have been ok too, but it was a fouled prop that spelled disaster for her, not just rough seas.

I had to stay at the helm to keep the boat positioned in the waves so it made fishing a problem. But we tried making a few drifts before deciding it was just too difficult to stay positioned and wasn't going to be productive. On our way back in, we heard the report of a fairly large boat with a tuna tower had just capsized. Knowing the Defiance Guadalupe fit the description and was outside with us, we got on the radio to try to hail her. We then hailed the San Diego Lifeguards on VHF to see if we could lend assistance and make sure we could get back in through the channel without interfering with search and rescue operations. A helicopter was already circling the area. A lifeguard crew running a 18' Boston Whaler reported dangerous conditions and taking water over the bow. We lined up between the red and green channel markers and a following sea, took a wave and surfed it back into the channel with the lifeguard boat crew watching and calling the ball for us on our re-entry position.

Hard to see in the resized picture, but behind and to the right of the upside down Defiance is the overturned lifeguard boat. They overturned inside the channel during rescue/recovery of the disabled Defiance.

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/i...y-about-defiance-capsizing-4.html#post1560633


My 2nd post to this thread is a set of pics I took the following Monday morning with the Defiance hauled out after the accident:
http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/i...y-about-defiance-capsizing-9.html#post1562468

 

[Bryan 2530]

Good pics, As I said before, something just looks off with the shape of Defiance boats.

That Guadeloupe model looks top heavy too.

 

[ReelyNauti]

i'm glad i started this post i am amazed at the interest, but the reason was more about being a safe captain not the defiance boat....WE HERE ALL KNOW THERE IS NUTIN BETTER THAN A PARKER...RIGHT!!!

Any way glad we had the chance to share hope all of us stay warm this winter 2 weeks till i land it on the shore ratz ass..... then off to Fla to turks and cacos for deep sea fishing

 

[BradV]

Warm this winter no problem....Forecast for Jupiter tomorrow!!




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Precip
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Wind: From SSW at 11 mph
Max. Humidity: 78%
UV Index: 3 Moderate


Sunrise: 6:54 AM ET
Avg. High: 78°F
Record High: 87°F (1991)

 

[Brent]

Fouled prop was an issue and unable to clear it safety is m2cw

 

[grouperjim]

as most of you know i was a helicopter search and rescue swimmer.

i have rescued quite a few people, military and civilian, some lucky, some not so lucky. the moral of that story is to NEVER inflate your PFD, nor wear a buoyant PFD inside of an enclosed space. for those new to cabin style boats, this info may sound a little strange, especially if coming out of a CC.

when we rescue people, the very first thing we do is to deflate or remove any buoyancy devices. we train for this every year in a device you may have heard of called a "helo dunker."

the guy who wrote the story would have been a fatality if he had not had his knife handy. it would have been absolutely impossible for him to egress the inverted cabin with an inflated PFD.

 

[rloomis]

as most of you know i was a helicopter search and rescue swimmer.

i have rescued quite a few people, military and civilian, some lucky, some not so lucky. the moral of that story is to NEVER inflate your PFD, nor wear a buoyant PFD inside of an enclosed space. when we rescue people, the very first thing we do is to deflate or remove any buoyancy devices. we train for this every year in a device called a "helo dunker."

the guy who wrote the story would have been a fatality he had not had his knife handy. if would have been absolutely impossible for him to egress the inverted cabin with an inflated PFD.

I think Type III PFD's that auto-inflate are generally a bad idea -- especially in a pilot house. The likelyhood of being knocked unconscious, entering the water and not coming to -- but having a type III auto-inflate to turn you face up before swallowing saltwater is pretty low IMHO.
The odds of entering the water still conscious and needing to quickly swim out of danger or to try to catch your boat before it drifts away is a much higher probability event. I set all my inflatable PFD's to manual inflate only.