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warthog5
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shawnee I've heard some good things about the Ecoboost Explorers.
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warthog5
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WHAT ? Explorer is a Front Wheel drive now?
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rwp48
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WOW!
Did you gear heads ever hijack this thread!
Did you gear heads ever hijack this thread!
warthog5
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shawnee83":1cc17ria said:
Dang! I use to like them. I'm not a front wheel drive fan.
Wife insisted on a 3 row SUV so that created a fairly short list. It's a lot of power for fwd and that is a little concerning for longevity. Couldn't talk her into the F150, I tried. Lol
Sorry for the hijack Rwp48. Think the fuel thing got covered at least.
Sorry for the hijack Rwp48. Think the fuel thing got covered at least.
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Be careful buying E-free aviation fuel. Most of it has low-lead in it and will also wreck your newer outboard.
To all you folks down south, E-free is great IF you can get it! We don't have it in New England, unless you buy race gas at $14./ gallon in 5 gallon cans
To all you folks down south, E-free is great IF you can get it! We don't have it in New England, unless you buy race gas at $14./ gallon in 5 gallon cans
warthog5
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Ahhhh! There hasn't been lead in any fuel since the early '70's.
We couldn't afford race fuel in the mid '80's and I'd go to the airport and by Exxon Blue 100octane
No I've never run it in a boat.
It's a stickler for me as to the way this country is being run. It props up farmers at the expense of other things.
I'm all for the farmers growing corn and selling it..... To forgin countries to eat.....Not putting it in our fuel.
Obama repeated and repeated..... Put air in your tires to get better millage........
I say get the Ethanol out of our fuel and we'll get 5 times better fuel millage than keeping the air in our tires at the exact amount.
I've seen the pix's of the boats that had to be cut apart when Ethanol was first put in our fuel. It wasn't pretty and was very costly.
They were all over THT [The Hull Truth]
Going to my local Lowes to buy a chainsaw or stick edger... They tell you.....Do not use gas with Ethanol in it or your warranty is Void.
How they would tell exactly? I don't know ? Unless when it's torn down the ill effects ?
You know those fuel numbers on new car window stickers that no one can seem to achieve? It's done with non Ethano
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My point here is it should be pushed to get it out of our fuel.
Brent
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une 28th, 2016
Dear BoatU.S. Member:
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is asking for comments on a proposal to increase the amount of ethanol that must be blended into the nation's gasoline supply for 2017. If adopted, these proposed levels will require the use of a record amount of ethanol, forcing higher-level fuel blends (including E15 or 15% ethanol) into gas pumps and at more gas stations. It's important to know that most marine engines are built to only work with up to 10% ethanol, and it is illegal to use gas containing more than 10% ethanol in any marine engine.
Please take a few moments to send a message NOW urging the EPA to lower the ethanol mandates to ensure an adequate supply of fuel that will work in your boat.
Click here to take action.
http://www.capwiz.com/boatus/issues/ale ... d=72776626
Background:
The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) is the 2005 law that requires the blending of biofuels such as corn-ethanol into our gasoline. When written, it was assumed that America's use of gasoline would continue to rise. However, U.S. gasoline usage has actually dropped steadily since 2005 and now the law forces more ethanol into fewer gallons of gasoline.
To keep up with this mandate, in 2010 the EPA permitted E15 (fuel containing up to 15% ethanol) into the marketplace, for some engines. E15 has been proven to damage boat engines and so it is prohibited in marine engines. It is also illegal to use E15 in snowmobiles, motorcycles, small engines like lawnmowers and leaf blowers, as well as any car or light-truck made before 2001.
E15 and higher ethanol blends fuel can now be found in 23 states, often at the very same pumps as E10 gasoline. A sticker on the pump mixed in with all the other labels may be the only warning for E15 gasoline. This creates a huge potential for mis-fueling and puts boaters at risk of using fuel that will damage their engines. CLICK HERE for more information on E15 and the Renewable Fuel Standard.
Thanks for being a BoatU.S. member and for taking action to let EPA hear how more ethanol will affect your boat engine. The deadline for your comment is July 11th, 2016. Help spread the word and please FORWARD TO A FRIEND.
Sincerely,
Margaret B. Podlich
President, BoatU.S.
(703) 461-2878 x8363
www.BoatUS.com/gov
Dear BoatU.S. Member:
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is asking for comments on a proposal to increase the amount of ethanol that must be blended into the nation's gasoline supply for 2017. If adopted, these proposed levels will require the use of a record amount of ethanol, forcing higher-level fuel blends (including E15 or 15% ethanol) into gas pumps and at more gas stations. It's important to know that most marine engines are built to only work with up to 10% ethanol, and it is illegal to use gas containing more than 10% ethanol in any marine engine.
Please take a few moments to send a message NOW urging the EPA to lower the ethanol mandates to ensure an adequate supply of fuel that will work in your boat.
Click here to take action.
http://www.capwiz.com/boatus/issues/ale ... d=72776626
Background:
The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) is the 2005 law that requires the blending of biofuels such as corn-ethanol into our gasoline. When written, it was assumed that America's use of gasoline would continue to rise. However, U.S. gasoline usage has actually dropped steadily since 2005 and now the law forces more ethanol into fewer gallons of gasoline.
To keep up with this mandate, in 2010 the EPA permitted E15 (fuel containing up to 15% ethanol) into the marketplace, for some engines. E15 has been proven to damage boat engines and so it is prohibited in marine engines. It is also illegal to use E15 in snowmobiles, motorcycles, small engines like lawnmowers and leaf blowers, as well as any car or light-truck made before 2001.
E15 and higher ethanol blends fuel can now be found in 23 states, often at the very same pumps as E10 gasoline. A sticker on the pump mixed in with all the other labels may be the only warning for E15 gasoline. This creates a huge potential for mis-fueling and puts boaters at risk of using fuel that will damage their engines. CLICK HERE for more information on E15 and the Renewable Fuel Standard.
Thanks for being a BoatU.S. member and for taking action to let EPA hear how more ethanol will affect your boat engine. The deadline for your comment is July 11th, 2016. Help spread the word and please FORWARD TO A FRIEND.
Sincerely,
Margaret B. Podlich
President, BoatU.S.
(703) 461-2878 x8363
www.BoatUS.com/gov
Brent
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thanks
and share with other boaters
We dont have a well funded lobby based in DC but alternative fuel companies sure do have uber funded lobbyist groups.
a short blurb
http://www.taxpayer.net/library/article ... anol-lobby
and share with other boaters
We dont have a well funded lobby based in DC but alternative fuel companies sure do have uber funded lobbyist groups.
a short blurb
http://www.taxpayer.net/library/article ... anol-lobby
Warthog, see below:
"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) shares the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) concerns about lead emissions from small aircraft. Owners and operators of more than 167,000 piston-engine aircraft operating in the United States rely on aviation gasoline (avgas) to power their aircraft. Avgas is the only remaining lead-containing transportation fuel. Lead in avgas prevents damaging engine knock, or detonation, that can result in a sudden engine failure. "
"The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) shares the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) concerns about lead emissions from small aircraft. Owners and operators of more than 167,000 piston-engine aircraft operating in the United States rely on aviation gasoline (avgas) to power their aircraft. Avgas is the only remaining lead-containing transportation fuel. Lead in avgas prevents damaging engine knock, or detonation, that can result in a sudden engine failure. "
warthog5
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Thank's..... 
I added this in that link to senetor
"Please get All the ethanol out of our fuel. I actually get 3MPG better around town in my auto with the use of NON ethanol fuel. Grow the corn ..... Sell it to other countries for food....But get it OUT of ALL our fuel!"
I added this in that link to senetor
"Please get All the ethanol out of our fuel. I actually get 3MPG better around town in my auto with the use of NON ethanol fuel. Grow the corn ..... Sell it to other countries for food....But get it OUT of ALL our fuel!"
Here is the reply I got yesterday:
July 21, 2016
Dear Mr. Farrell,
Thank you for contacting me to share your concerns about ethanol volume requirements in fuel. I appreciate hearing from you on this important matter.
As you may know, the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act included a Renewable Fuel Standard. The so-called biofuels mandate requires an increase in biofuels production from nine billion gallons per year in 2008 to 36 billion gallons per year by 2022. The Renewable Fuel Standard is in gallons, which requires fuel producers, blenders, and distributors to meet a certain threshold for gallons of renewable fuel each year. To meet the Standard, many blenders nationwide create an ethanol-gasoline mixture of 10 percent ethanol, 90 percent gasoline, which has traditionally been the maximum allowable proportion of ethanol. This blend, also known as E10, was approved for use in most on-road and non-road engines and has been available in Delaware since 2006.
On November 29, 2013, the EPA released a proposed Renewable Fuel Standard rule for 2014, which would lower the ethanol mandate for the first time. That is why on December 11, 2013, the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, of which I am a member, held a hearing on the proposed rule. My colleagues on the Committee and I heard from several witnesses, some of whom consider the Renewable Fuel Standard a success, and others who expressed concerns similar to yours.
On February 26, 2015, Senator Pat Toomey (R-PA) introduced S. 577, the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015. The bill seeks to eliminate the annual renewable fuel standard that requires 36 billion gallons of renewable fuel to be blended into transportation fuel by 2022. The legislation is currently pending in the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Should I have the opportunity to consider this bill before the full Committee, I will continue to welcome an open and thoughtful dialogue, and I will be sure to keep your thoughts in mind.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please do not hesitate to contact me again in the future about this or other matters of importance to you.
With best personal regards, I am,
Sincerely,
Tom Carper
United States Senator
To send another message please visit my website at http://carper.senate.gov/contact and fill out the webform for a prompt response. Thank you.
July 21, 2016
Dear Mr. Farrell,
Thank you for contacting me to share your concerns about ethanol volume requirements in fuel. I appreciate hearing from you on this important matter.
As you may know, the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act included a Renewable Fuel Standard. The so-called biofuels mandate requires an increase in biofuels production from nine billion gallons per year in 2008 to 36 billion gallons per year by 2022. The Renewable Fuel Standard is in gallons, which requires fuel producers, blenders, and distributors to meet a certain threshold for gallons of renewable fuel each year. To meet the Standard, many blenders nationwide create an ethanol-gasoline mixture of 10 percent ethanol, 90 percent gasoline, which has traditionally been the maximum allowable proportion of ethanol. This blend, also known as E10, was approved for use in most on-road and non-road engines and has been available in Delaware since 2006.
On November 29, 2013, the EPA released a proposed Renewable Fuel Standard rule for 2014, which would lower the ethanol mandate for the first time. That is why on December 11, 2013, the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, of which I am a member, held a hearing on the proposed rule. My colleagues on the Committee and I heard from several witnesses, some of whom consider the Renewable Fuel Standard a success, and others who expressed concerns similar to yours.
On February 26, 2015, Senator Pat Toomey (R-PA) introduced S. 577, the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015. The bill seeks to eliminate the annual renewable fuel standard that requires 36 billion gallons of renewable fuel to be blended into transportation fuel by 2022. The legislation is currently pending in the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Should I have the opportunity to consider this bill before the full Committee, I will continue to welcome an open and thoughtful dialogue, and I will be sure to keep your thoughts in mind.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please do not hesitate to contact me again in the future about this or other matters of importance to you.
With best personal regards, I am,
Sincerely,
Tom Carper
United States Senator
To send another message please visit my website at http://carper.senate.gov/contact and fill out the webform for a prompt response. Thank you.
